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File Namedm-nirvana][.zip
GametypeUT2k3 Deathmatch
Date Added02-03-2003
File Version1.00
File Size17.27 mb
Player Count2-4
Map DescriptionNone
Review Rating8
User Rating8
Overall Rating8


ReviewerMister_ProphetAwe Score: 3.0/3
Date02-23-2003Build Score: 3.0/3
Review SchemaCast Score: 2.0/3
User Point: 0
Overall Score: 8/10

This is easily one of the few maps I can wax my carrot to. Nirvana 2 is probably the best all around user deathmatch map currently available for UT2K3. This map scores the highest rating Ive yet given to a map review, a solid 8. Anyone familiar with my reviewing style should know that when I give a map an 8, then it must damn well be worth the download.

Visually, this is one of the top 3 best looking maps out. The custom meshes and convincing lighting scheme make this one very atmospheric map. Tiles lay loose and scattered all around, at some parts the floor sinks into the earth with stone fragments resting along the edge of dirt pits. Torches and cracked windows illuminate the place and the wooden planks on some floors remain open, exposing the moist mysty fluids that have drained into the basement as a result of the invading snowfall. True, its theme is unoriginal if you think about it....but forget all that man! So what If it is a decaying old style monastary? This map isnt your run in the mill abandoned brick temple/church/shrine, the essence of this particular building glows compared to ANY epic map or user made map with a similiar theme. This is right up there with DM-Victoria and CTF-Addien, though this map offers more rounded eye candy. NOTHING in here is basic looking, the theme is consistant with architecture/lighting/particles/textures/sound. Ive been playing this since it was released, it still owns me.

Luckily, Nirvana 2 provides an impressive array of gameplay to go with it. Granted, the gameplay pales in comparison to the maps appearance, but it is above average and the map runs very fluid. Some holes and spots could have been widened abit, and as the author admits...some parts of the map can be wee bit too much for framerates at times. I recall one game where one of the more open rooms had some slowdown and I got killed by some ghey bot as a result of stuttering performance (I got him back though, heh...hehehe) It could be said that Gorge just got lucky, or that Gorge simply kicked my ass in that one moment. But we all know Gorge really sucks, so there. My rig is pumped, so this usually doesnt happen, and it does not always happen when I play. But I still should note that lower end machines may be fuggered. If you got the gear, add half a point. I gave cast score a 2, since its above average and just plays better than most of the maps available. This is a must for servers, get the hell rid of DM-ShudderMyCreekUpForAlpu and place this baby on there. NOTE: DM-Victoria, the other DM map that owned me visually I gave a 1.5 for gameplay, even though other reviewers added their tally and it came to 2, but of these two amazing maps, I prefer this one since the gameplay is just better adjusted.

The Prophets Verdict: This map has gotten the Cliffy B ownage, but I dont think that is fair. This map does not deserve to be shelved with those much inferior maps (Chainer, Reigncaster, Lightfalls, you gotta be kidding me) This one is beyond Ownage boys and girls, UT2k3 was made so that maps like this could be played. Im keeping my eye on this mapper, Lets hope that he isnt one of those 1 shot wonders, cus this map is freaking Solid.

Map Comments

02-03-2003 05:52 PM MST
Rating: 8 
leet map, some very nice meshes and skins

02-03-2003 08:20 PM MST
Rating: 9 
I loved DM-ORM-Nirvana for the original UT, and this remake is a mind-blower too. Good going, bro!
02-03-2003 10:12 PM MST
Rating: 6 
Not too bad at all - But no ownage...

02-04-2003 02:40 AM MST
Rating: 8 
Hayden, this is the second highly approved map you've given a low score too. It seems your expectations are very high and all, but what would you give your own maps? IF this doesn't deserve ownage, do your maps?

Anyway this map is incrdeably nice. Gameplay is slightly off, but generaly it's ok. Lighting is excellant, as is the use of projectors to make begtter shadows. Texturing is cool, sounds are fine, snow is good, and it even ran well for me.

David Spalinski
02-04-2003 04:26 AM MST
Rating: 7 
Overall pretty damn good. I would have given it a 8 if it ran better on my gf4 4600, besides that I like everything else. (except that one slow lift, but thats nitpicking)

02-04-2003 06:17 AM MST
Rating: 8 

Meshwork,lightning and gameplay are way cool. But FPS is not so good, due to high polygon count...

02-04-2003 09:37 AM MST
Rating: 9 
Best ut2k3 dm-map i've seen until now. I don't say this quickly, be honoured. Nice work, like to see more maps of this quality

02-04-2003 09:48 AM MST
Rating: 8 
Really good map! Damn it's full of detail! I'm looking forward to see your next map. Only bad thing is that it takes lot's of CPU and download time is very long.

02-04-2003 03:19 PM MST
Rating: 8 
No shit, this map has everything.
I liked the indirect lighting and the intentional shadows in particular.

I noticed how you can actually shoot outside through some of the windows. Rather than a flat skybox, there is a 3d environment, in one place you can hit a fence or manage to shoot through it and hit the buildings in the distance. Nice details.

I didn't like how the puddles of water looked tho, and the long ramp seemed to be made of metal supposedly, that didn't seem to fit in well.

PS: I was told to mention God and Jesus in the context.

02-04-2003 12:31 PM MST
Rating: 6 
Too small. Rooms are repetetive and kinda dull.
Why use electric lighs in a medieval-like building ???
Many new static meshes, but charm = 0.
Also poorly optimized. Laggy.
Doesn't look bad though, it's just missing variety and style.

02-04-2003 01:59 PM MST
Rating: 9 
I've never given a map a 9 before. Looks the shit, plays well, great atmosphere, perfectly fitting music track.

I guess it'd be kinda laggy with lots of players, but it plays well enough on my machine so I'm not gonna start nitpicking.

Deeply impressive.

02-04-2003 03:04 PM MST
Rating: 9 
How can anyone say that this map has no style?

It makes me laugh how hard people can be on maps around here.. exactly what does it take to have style in a map?

IMO -- This map is very unique in its look and style. Very original theme and plays pretty darn good to boot.

02-04-2003 08:27 PM MST
Rating: 7 
Very good details and after turning them pretty much all off it played pretty decent. I'm in a bad mood right now and can't think straight so I wanna ask Hayden a quick question. Are you making some super map that's going to $hit on every map we've seen so far? If so hurry up!!

03-02-2003 03:51 PM MST
Rating: 7 
A map that only new players and those with fast systems containing bleeding edge video cards are going play very much.

Edit: Flow is poor, framerates are terrible (the worst of any UT2k3 map I've seen so far) and nearly everything in the map is either grey or black (making it difficult to see many character models). There is also a very dark and well hidden camping spot behind the trim near the roof.

02-04-2003 08:47 PM MST
Rating: 7 
So slow on my comp with a gf4ti4200, 512 ram and 1.6ghz... D: But it's one of the few good custom maps otherwise

02-05-2003 09:01 AM MST
Rating: 7 
visually its cool shit, tho it lacks some real cool gameplay, but the meshwork is kinda impressive and the athmosphere is cool too.

02-08-2003 04:23 PM MST
Rating: 9 
Superb peice of work - 3DSMax skills are the best I've seen from anyone - period

A true artist at work here - I simply tip my hat and acknowledge the craftsmanship that has been put into this level


Lord Heisher
02-20-2003 10:14 AM MST
Rating: 9 
Original (really outstanding in this respect, in comparision to the vast majority of ut2k3 maps), good flow, great looks.

Compared to some of detritus that gets 'Ownage', this map has it all. Great work Rog ;)

02-20-2003 05:05 PM MST
Rating: 8 
Nice map with the custom meshes and all, some awesome work there. Layout seems pretty good. Only couple of things I can complain about really - seems to be a bit too cluttered with meshes, too much detail to take in, but u dont notice it in-game that much anyway. Framerates are slightly harsh in places and also a fair bit of the map just seemed dark/drab. Music choice is good and makes the map have that "gothic" feel :)

Tho, one of the first maps that looks and plays good.

02-20-2003 06:30 PM MST
Rating: 9 
Absolutely beautifull!! The best looking indoor map I have seen yet. The gameplay is good, not a lot of z-axis though and the lighting and visuals are excellent. I am not really a fan of indooor maps for UT2003 but this one shines out as something special to me. Well done!!

02-23-2003 11:16 AM MST
Rating: 9 
What can I say after all these comments. Agreed.

02-23-2003 11:42 AM MST
Rating: 8 
Visually perfect, but plays slowly on my comp.

02-23-2003 05:01 PM MST
Rating: 9 
This baby is by far the most visually compelling custom map I've seen. One of few that deserved ownage.
The game play is great and the atmospherics are classy.
Can't wait to see your next one.
So stop reading this and get mapping.

02-23-2003 11:13 PM MST
Rating: 8 
I think Hayden is officially a pompous a$$. This map literally stomps all over any mapping effort he has made. He claims its not ownage but has no problem acknowledging his own maps as "ownage", and is quite proud of them. I beleive his maps to be of average quality, especially compared to Nirvana][. Hopefully he improves upon his past work (but with that attitude i doubt it will happen)

This map is just awesome. Some sweet looks, great gameplay. I love it. Too bad it runs kinda slow, but its better for a 1 on 1 match anyway, so that keeps frames up. I would have liked to see some more projectors so the characters and weapons would react with the shadows better, but nitpicking is a sin sometimes, and definitely in this case.

Freaking excellent work Rog!

Doctor Nick
02-24-2003 02:03 PM MST
Rating: 8 
Excellent map, although I do prefer Victoria.

02-24-2003 09:31 PM MST
Rating: 9 

02-25-2003 02:26 PM MST
Rating: 9 
This soooo owns!
Sinmply outstanding. Performance could be better... that's why it's only a 9. A wee bit of fog wouldn't have hurt much either. :)

02-25-2003 11:33 PM MST
Rating: 9 
Excellent map!

02-26-2003 05:05 AM MST
Rating: 6 
pretty map, if you don't mind the overdone/cluttered feel...

thoughtless layout, though - no gameplay to keep me coming back... doesn't really seem out of place as a part of CliffyB's 0wnage..?

02-26-2003 10:03 PM MST
Rating: 7 

Mr. Brownstone
02-27-2003 11:30 PM MST
Rating: 9 

03-02-2003 02:42 AM MST
Rating: 8 
A truly outstanding piece of work. This one and Warbeast's stuff blow me away visually. I'm completely and utterly gob smacked.

I will agree that the map is pushed toward the visuals rather than gameplay. The gaps for Z-axis are not large enough for enemies to register in your peripheral vision. I can sympathise - the rigidness static meshes do have a tendency to affect the layout of my own maps.

The fps are a bit low because of shear amount polys in view (Being the vain bastard that I am I went around with "stat render" turned on). About 4x more bsp/smesh polys in view than any DE/Epic map.

There are some really good examples of how bsp can be lit so much better than meshes. I will lock that one away for later use.

I give this map an 8 cause I know Desp can do even better.

Hayden: Any foo can make good terrain maps.

Reviewer: Lay off DM-Chainer, that map is very solid. Desp is no one hit wonder, check out his other stuff. He WILL go pro, if he lets it. Mark my words.

03-03-2003 02:55 AM MST
Rating: 8 
WTF? "one shot wonder" what about CTF-Baranco (ownage map) and his SF maps. Anyway its an awesome map however I was a bit surprised to find some creates, you know what they say about creates...

03-03-2003 03:13 AM MST
Rating: 6 
to much graphics! dosent flow that well! eye candy is all it is

03-05-2003 05:42 AM MST
Rating: 9 
had lots of fun with this one.
awesome visuals and some great gameplay, nice music track too from guybrush :p

fps got a bit choppy cause of the high visuals but other than that, thoroughly enjoyed it

cant wait for the next one mate ;)

04-05-2003 09:36 PM MST
Rating: 9 
What's to say that hasnt already been said? :)

03-11-2003 11:34 AM MST
Rating: 8 
As said before "awesome looking" really nice meshes, texturing is excellent as well as lighting.

It is probably only me but maps that look this good and have this much eye-candy make game play difficult for me. It is hard to see opponents and I found at times they tended to blend into the surroudings. My eyes hurt after playing it but I think that is because it looks so good to almost be busy.

But definately in the top three of any map I have ever seen or played.

03-17-2003 11:28 PM MST
Rating: 6 
Too cluttered for my tastes, but good

03-22-2003 10:07 PM MST
Rating: 10 
Nice Map

03-23-2003 08:38 PM MST
Rating: 3 
Pretty Statich meshes, but I do not like the scene, nor the quality in the rooms (seems a museum) and I I do not like that they repeat statich meshes decorative in all the zones, does not like anything east scene to play, single the statue of women.

03-24-2003 07:22 AM MST
Rating: 9 
Perhaps someone can enlighten us as to what it was Phantom just said. Maybe if we were to understand him, some sort of divine revelation could occur, revealing to us his infinite wisdom in giving such a map a mere 3.

03-28-2003 12:30 AM MST
Rating: 8 
this map and DM-1on1alpu = best DM maps out right now easy!

EDIT: 2 the 2 posts below this 1...

you need better than a geforce2 to play UT2003!!!!


03-26-2003 05:58 PM MST
Rating: 6 
Gah! This level sure is purty. Unfortunately, the frame-rate is so slow as to be unplayable on my Athlon XP1800+ w/Gforce2 machine.

03-27-2003 07:16 PM MST
Rating: 7 
i have to agree with jmbwi. The map doesnt play really great with my athlon w/ GF2 either right now i think i got the ahtlon overclocked to 2 gig. The map looks tight though with all the static meshes so i give it a 7. Work on the framerate and it will raise to 9 :)

04-04-2003 10:58 AM MST
Rating: 5 
I love the detail of this map. The rain and music really won me over.

However, if more than 2 players join in on our LAN, it gets unbearably chopppy and unplayable.

It is a nice piece of art, but not practical for playing a real game.

04-05-2003 03:59 PM MST
Rating: 8 
I give it an 8 because it is visually awesome. The detail in this map is amazing and i love the music. I find it funny though how such a small map does not flow too well but it doesn't.

04-18-2003 09:13 PM MDT
Rating: 4 
Chunk-a-lunk-a-ding-dong!!! This map is a laggy beast! Too much crap in the map, no flow baby! Try and move out some of the art, and move in some fun for us non Radeon9700Pro peeps!

04-24-2003 09:50 AM MDT
Rating: 6 
Detail is Fantastic! On the other hand i just want to play nicely and that isnt possible.

Detail: 9.0
Gameplay: 3.0

05-03-2003 10:04 AM MDT
Rating: 3 
One of the most beautiful maps I've ever seen. I give this one a 10 for beauty, construction, and atmosphere.

Unfortunately, I get to spend a lot of time looking at it at a staggering 9 to 12 frames per second.

I download a map to play it and have some fun. If I wanted to stare at artwork, I'd admire some Monet paintings - and have a much better frame rate staring at his paintings to boot.

So it gets a -7 for gameplay...because it just doesn't have any.

05-04-2003 10:52 AM MDT
Rating: 7 
Really is a stunning map but my poor Athlon +2100, 256DDR RAM and ATI Radeon 9700 128MB card struggle with this bad boy. Some maps that are being released look amazing but because of their detail they chug like a fat bitch so this lowers their fun factor considerably. Shame really as this map is really good and when my PC gets going it plays well.

05-04-2003 04:45 PM MDT
Rating: 7 
Some of the better atmosphere for UT2k3 (check out CTF-Addien). The music was pretty leet but the last 30 seconds of it completly ruined it. I thought it was really cheesy :con:
Anyways, the map looks really leet, too bad it flows like a brick

05-08-2003 10:20 AM MDT
Rating: 8 
This map looks awesome!!!!!!! Great work m8!
It's not the kinda map I like playing (also due to lower fps), but damn this looks/sounds good.

06-20-2003 10:39 AM MDT
Rating: 10 
first, this map owns all other maps thats for sure
secondary the map itself is 63 megs large and houses 4 people maximal. gives you an idea of the decoration.
last, i dont know why you listen to me talking instead of downloadin it.
download it now or i will release my carnivore guineapig on you. Muhahahahaaa

06-05-2003 03:59 PM MDT
Rating: 5 
the map is. so pretty :') 2 ******* bad it doesn't run on my Gf3...

The Twiggman
06-22-2003 07:10 PM MDT
Rating: 10 
Wow this map is packin heat. Nothing is left plain, and the visuals are stunning. Great shadows too. I found myself staring at the architecture rather than gunning down the masses. Sweet, the music also fits well. Bottom line is this is what ownage is all about. Going to be hard to top that. A bit large on the filesize but who cares, its an expirence in itself.

01-27-2004 02:56 PM MST
Rating: 9 
good map 9 for gameplay, 9 for look and 10 for the name (Nirvana Rules.)

01-28-2004 12:46 AM MST
Rating: 5 
Vastly overrated map with mediocre looks, poor lighting, bad gameplay and terrible performance. Lot's of custom meshwork, but really doesn't look all that great.

mangan }swe{
02-02-2004 05:24 PM MST
Rating: 4 
its like dm-blast furnace, looks great but lags graet weres the gameflow??

detail: 10

pretty nice map

03-22-2004 06:30 AM MST
If this is one of the best maps on this site, this site must be down today.
Because this map sucks.
:( Don't download this map.

03-26-2004 01:15 AM MST
Yeah Nirvana sucks ;)

Make sure to play my other UT2k4 maps...



have fun all ;) I know I am :D

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