DM-Snack16
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	File Name dm-snack16.zip Author [Viking]Warrior Gametype UT Deathmatch Date Added 12-23-2004 File Version 1.00 File Size 840 kb Player Count 2-16 Map Description None Review Rating -- User Rating 2.5 Overall Rating --
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Kantham 12-23-2004 11:05 PM MST Rating: 0.5   NOT ANOTHER DECK 16 REMAKE i feel like playing the same map , just texture changment and that pit in the middle GTD-Carthage 12-24-2004 05:01 AM MST   DECK 16 is a happy place to be... Lok 12-24-2004 08:57 AM MST Rating: 0.5   0.5 for the effort to have invented something different Evil Snack 12-24-2004 01:29 PM MST Rating: 0.5   Well, well, well. Perhaps you are not as good as the Emperor though you to be, Look people, I think you would have learned by now that crime dosen't pay! No one here thinks that this map is yours. .5 because it has a snack name in it! RJGexplode 12-27-2004 05:59 PM MST Rating: 6   did deck 16 come looking like that? no he has put work into the texturing and lighting, at least, if not the architecture its an interesting take on normal Deck 16 Why is it so important to you people that maps are "all" original, normal deck 16 is over played, i hate its textures now, this is a nicer version given, the author would have been better giving credit to the original author, but still, its a good map, i dont care if it was built from an existing map, its pretty good remake, and i will rate it so Edit: And Jez, people like you are the type of people that would of rated the original Deck a 0 anyway Jackle 12-24-2004 04:41 PM MST   Dood, not to sound rude... but Deck-16 remakes are getting old. I admire your effort in making this map, and indeed, you have potential, just stay away from the sequels... WarriorDragon 12-26-2004 10:19 AM MST Rating: 7.5   Well, Deck16][ is ripped...dûh :) But it's a warm map, it's fun to play because it gives you the idea to be in Curse][, so why people are downgrading your map? I don't understand, obviously you gave many effort in remaking this map to look and feel like Curse][, Nice touch, it is truely an eyecandy to have. Giving a 7,5 to the originality of the remake of Deck16][ but try to make these kind of maps, try it on your own. You are going the right way, don't listen to the 0.5-raters because they don't like Deck16][ or Curse][ thats a fact, and only read the positive comment because they are serious :D, still making my own map and this map gave me some inspiration. Good job ;) next time be more innovative and make your OWN maps :D because they will own i guess hehe.. NeoNite 12-26-2004 12:18 PM MST Rating: 3   Basically this is Deck16][, but indeed with a curse][ look. When Ut was a fresh game, this wouldn't have been such a bad idea, but now it fails horribly. It looks very bland, very monotonous. I wonder how many textures were used.............. The ligthing, is slightly better. Which is a relief. But it's only slightly. Coloured lighting, you have to be carefull when it comes to this. Luckily, it's almost bearable this time. In Deck16, or Deck16][ the lighting is pure crap. The author got rid of the dead ends in this map. That's a nice touch. The dead end near the flak cannon (upper part) is gone -> Which leads to the Udamage room. The lower part: There's a connection between the jumpboots and the shockrifle. Weapon placement is exactly the same. Why on earth is that friggin' deemer included again... People can, yet again, pistoncamp near the spawnpoint. Bad, bad bad.. There should be workaround to this "problem"... Some areas look very, very empty (first flak cannon area). The slime areas are removed, which is good... but it's so empty now. I can't really say: "Nice job on your map", because it's not. There are "nice" ideas implemented, but most are executed poorly. Daft looks, architecture.. minor changes (some are good as I've stated before)... To the author: Try making a real map. Spend time on the geometry, on the lighting, on details (sounds) and whatnot. Work on it. Stuff like this doesn't really cut it. You have the feeling of "been there, done that" or "not again". The curse textures are old. Very old. And lots of maps use this texture set. And it can make the map look very dull. But, don't give up. Keep experimenting ;-) with Ued. Keep mapping. Make a real map. souldividersjosz 12-27-2004 08:58 AM MST   What's next? Deck16 remake with the Albatross theme in 2k4... O M G Jez 12-28-2004 10:07 AM MST   Hmm.. people who rate these re-hashed maps highly are the kind of people who would give films like Lord of the Rings 10/10 and then give 9/10 for art-house college films shot on video-tape. A noobie mapper shouldn't be given a high rating just because he's a noob and he needs encouraging. Puhleese. It distorts the whole rating system. [EDIT] Uh? Everyone who's ever played UT knows Deck 16. And *IF* he's not a newbie, then I suggest he proves it by making *original* maps. Because re-hashing old maps does not prove that you aren't a newbie, ok? In fact, it's exactly what new mappers do do. lol, I don't know why I used noob.. I *hate* l337 speak. :p redfist 12-27-2004 10:46 PM MST   Well jaz,he must know deck16 right? SO HE'S NOT A NOOB And went even farther to redo it different But then again they redid deck16 to deck17 in the retail game so all those at epic are all "noobs" to right? F'ing noob noob noob noob noob,aaaaaaaaaaaaghgh man I am to old for the kiddies I guese "NOOB" LoL it's "NEWBIE" and don't forget it.!!or wait, was it pwnage,or no "OWNAGE" and teh is "THE" I will get teh flak and pwnage your noob ass. hahahah geez i'm cool wow. SolarImplosion 12-27-2004 10:51 PM MST Rating: 0   OMG STOP MAKING THESE PLZ Fuzzy Logic 12-28-2004 05:45 AM MST   If you don't like it, don't download it! On second thoughts, if the author didn't upload it in the first place, we all wouldn't have to bother not downloading it... Um, yeah... Any more of these deck thingies and I'll need a CAT scan... DarKGamer 12-28-2004 01:37 PM MST Rating: 7.5   I think this map brings a new face to Deck. This makes the gameplay of the classic map flow alot better. I like it, and I don't care how many of you hate me for it. When DM-TheDeck was created and released for UT04, I bet many of you posted it with 0.5's and such because it was a deck remake, now look at it, it got CliffyB's Ownage! All you people say is "Make a real map", but how many of you have attempted and/or released a "Real" map. It's not as easy to do as most think! EvilSwanky 01-10-2005 08:49 AM MST Rating: 0   Holy crap... I don't like the texture changes, the lighting should have been changed, too, AND THE MUSIC SUUUXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX, after about 30secs I deleted it from my hd, just because of the music track > IPXWhitetiger 01-10-2005 07:50 PM MST Rating: 4.5   [Viking]Warrior take no notice of the 0.5 scores ppl have given this map. Im a newbie mapper 2 so what if deck 16 been done 100 times before no one forces u to download it. People should really start to score maps on effort, someone has tried to put in to making a map. Its not easy trying to come up with an original map. Yes yes I know what most ppl will say not much effort gone into this map, maybe so for a experienced mapper this map might only have taken a few hours but for someone who is new to mapping it takes a hell of alot longer. To the PPl who are experienced mapper should know better. Give [Viking]Warrior constructive opinion to help him improve that way he get more knowlegde on how to do things better. [Viking]Warrior here some links for tutorials that will help: http://unreal.gamedesign.net/tutorials/ued.shtml http://www.planetunreal.com/squacky/unrealed.htm http://www.planetunreal.com/uedlab/tutorials.htm There are plenty more out there if u look for them. Also before submiting maps to here, u can get them tested in the forums first and they will help u to inprove your map and tell you the things that could be done better. Also there are channels on mirc u can go to for help as well [ Quakenet.org #unrealed ] Keep maping. [EDIT] XepptizZ Not saying a original map can't be done as u have already said there are loads on NC but some ppl are more creative than other's. XepptizZ: "Rating remakes should be on the changes so a ten is excluded IMO," I agree with what u have said here but this has just not been the case with this map. and maybe i have given this map a to higher rating but then i am still learning myself but imho i don't think its worth a 0 or 0.5 as same effort has gone in to it. There are changes to the map,lighting is better ok so that might not be hard to have done but he did do it then there the screen shots man been plenty of map put on NC without those. But im not saying this map is perfect its far from it but i just think ppl should judge the map on whats been done to it by him, not just give a zero because is a remake. slaskan 01-10-2005 03:58 PM MST Rating: 0   no u guys got it all wrong this couldnt be called poorly done deck 16 remake, this map is amazing and i see that alot of effort has gone into cuz the author has put alot of work into giving D-16 a new look (new but worse look) i think all maps that are not rippofs deserves 0 (im being sarcastic) XepptizZ 01-10-2005 03:11 PM MST   RJGexplode:i dont care if it was built from an existing map, its pretty good remake, and i will rate it so >When using the word "built" it seems to impley doing somethin to the geometry, LOL. Well some minor things he did do. --------------------------------------- WarriorDragon:don't listen to the 0.5-raters because they don't like Deck16][ or Curse][ thats a fact >I love Deck16][, this I prefer not to have, but the lighting is better. --------------------------------------- redfist:And went even farther to redo it different >I thought you were highly against this? redfist:But then again they redid deck16 to deck17 in the retail game so all those at epic are all "noobs" to right? >Definitly not true, what makes remakes to be liked more is when it is built from scratch like Deck_40 and Edge][. redfist:it's "NEWBIE" and don't forget it.!!or wait, was it pwnage,or no "OWNAGE" and teh is "THE" I will get teh flak and pwnage your noob ass. hahahah geez i'm cool wow. >It must be one of the most lame things to critic someones grammar. --------------------------------------- DarkGamer:All you people say is "Make a real map", but how many of you have attempted and/or released a "Real" map. It's not as easy to do as most think! >Well, I have and I'm still at it, I know it's very hard, but htat doesn't mean you should take the easy way out IMO. And the NC database is filled with original maps, don't forget that. So it's possible. My map sucked at gameplay, I know, but this is what I'm currently workin on.http://forums.unrealplayground.com/showthread.php?t=29037&page=2&pp=15 --------------------------------------- IPXWhitetiger:Its not easy trying to come up with an original map. >Yes it is. Me made a pretty original map and workin on several original ones with many still in mind. IPXWhitetiger:Yes yes I know what most ppl will say not much effort gone into this map, maybe so for a experienced mapper this map might only have taken a few hours but for someone who is new to mapping it takes a hell of alot longer. >It would take me an hour at most with the tweakin and testin all together. Good going with the links and encouoraging new mappers is always a good thing to do, but not with ratings. --------------------------------------- Rating remakes should be on the changes so a ten is excluded IMO, I didn't dl it and so I shouldn't rate it, but there wouldn't be much constructive stuff to give. And again, the lighting is better, but wasn't hard to improve in the first place.