DM-BDC-TV-STORE
Map Info
	File Name dm-bdc-tv-store.zip Author {BDC}DoGGZz[20o0] Gametype UT Deathmatch Date Added 04-05-2001 File Version 1.00 File Size 6.77 mb Player Count Unknown Map Description None Review Rating 3.5 User Rating 3 Overall Rating 3.5
Review
Reviewer Gnome and Sapper Awe Score:  1.5/3 Date 02-21-2006 Build Score:  1.0/3 Review Schema Cast Score:  1.0/3 User Point:  0 Overall Score:  3.5/10 DM-BDC-TV-STORE by {BDC}DoGGZz[20o0] AWE: 1.5 BUILD: 1.0 CAST: 1.0 ADRENALINE RATING: 2/5 RECOMMENDED NUMBER OF PLAYERS: 8-16 GNOME: If there is one thing that all clan maps have in common, it's that they are designed to be unappealing to everyone who doesn't have a lust for power or the need to test their skills in ever more surreal environments. SAPPER: I can't be sure, but I thought we were never going to review a clan map ever again. GNOME: I wasn't paying attention. My apologies. SAPPER: I also thought we were never going to review a minime map ever again. GNOME: Well without a screenshot, how was I to know that this was a minime map? THE STORY GNOME: There once was a clan called BDC. SAPPER: Bacon Double Cheesebooger? Brain Drain Corporation? GNOME: One day they decided to try to go into business for themselves so they opened up a TV store. They quickly went under however because those criminals never sold a working tv. THE AWE FACTOR GNOME: Ever since I first saw a minime map, I've been trying to digest the reasoning behind their creation. I honestly have still not figured it out. SAPPER: From a man's point of view...willing imagining yourself to be small and insignificant just doesn't make sense. Someday I'd like to play a map that's scaled down where people are just ants beneath your feet and Lake Michigan is nothing more than a swimming pool. Just once I'd like to play a 'megame' map. GNOME: At any rate...I don't think there's any question that we are indeed inside some sort of television store. Closed for obvious reasons. The one thing I did notice about the map that I liked was that the static from the broken tv sets actually created flickering light around it that you could see, especially from the top shelf when looking at the roof. SAPPER: Adjust your priorities Gnome. If you get shrunk down, you have to make sure that all of your manly items are still in proportion. You should have been looking down. Not up. THE BUILD GNOME: The build suffers because of poor map construction. Although an effort was obviously made to make the map look like a tv store, I have to ask why there are places where I can fall through the shelving as if there were nothing there at all. I have to ask why there is low gravity instead of jump boots. I have to ask why there are teleports in the middle of open space instead of tucked away or at the very least sitting on top of a falling receipt. SAPPER: And as you can see from the photo on the left that I so carefully took, I have to ask just what kind of freakin' keyboard that is. GNOME: The build is generally the easiest score to get. All the have to do is build the map and make sure all the physical aspects are functioning properly. There is alot of work to be done here before this score will improve. THE CAST SAPPER: It is a general rule that flow doesn't count on a minime map. As such, no minime map will EVER score higher than a 2.0 and as such no minime map will EVER get a perfect score. It's not going to happen...so stop sendin' them to us! GNOME: As far as everything else goes, well let's just say I can into something I never saw before. SAPPER: You mean the flashlight? GNOME: I mean the flashlight. It's a pity we don't see those more often...and in all those really dark maps we've been reviewing lately. There were also several redeemers, one or two enhanced shockrifles, plenty of guns and ammo everywhere. Really, there's no strategy to playing this map. Pick up a weapon and start shooting. OVERALL SAPPER: I hope the Banana-Daquiri Cheesecake clan enjoyed playing this because I'm sure most of our reader's here at NC are a little bit more particular in their choice of garbage. Need I remind everyone of the sheer number of comments the AndACTION maps produced back in the day? GNOME: I really didn't need to be reminded of those Sapper.
Map Comments
"mini me" map lover}) 01-04-2004 04:59 PM MST Rating: 10   Greeeeeeeeeat map i lone it so mutch fun i like the redemers, creat combo of mini me map style, redeemers, snipers, great map, neve get bored, i love how the bots work in it, great! redfist 03-15-2006 11:30 AM MST Rating: 0.5   All BDC maps suck, all minime maps are for players who can't frickin play. ADD Hmm? I don't suppose GMC runs ZARK and low grav to along with invisble walls built in the maps. I don't care how good you think you are these big stupid maps RUINED UT. It's just the lamest type of DM ever,glad you like em. Spudsy 02-23-2006 08:48 PM MST Rating: 0   Minime maps equal one thing. Minime maps = 0 score rating Minime maps have no point, no effort put into them, no meaning. They are not fun, not balanced, and not creative. No matter what you come up with, a TV store, or a garage, minime maps are never innovative. Waste of harddrive space is the bottom line here. Revord 03-01-2006 04:56 PM MST Rating: 0   I played this map years ago when I first had UT. It sucked then, and it still sucks. Im surprised it even came up for a review! Agent X 03-06-2006 09:42 PM MST   I had the unfortunate experience of running into this map on a custom server that had no clue what makes a map good. This map was horrible, true and true... And while I dont like to criticize people's work, I recognize a pile of steaming dookey when I see it. It just goes to show that reveiwers here at Nali City have better taste than server admins. Some points of note : No flow Poor lighting Poor Ambience Poor weapon/item placement Weak botpathing I give no score on this one as I've summed the map up quite well in this post. Fordy 03-15-2006 12:46 PM MST Rating: 2   Here are the forum rules as posted by cccdeathstorm over on their forums... 1:RESPECT ALL MEMBERS 2:NO INAPROPRIATE AVATARS 3:STICK TO THE TOPIC 4:NO SPAMMING you will get banned Firstly, you have broken the first of your own rules and secondly you are obviously a spoilt brat who can't take a bit criticism and its not even your map! There are plenty of clans who know a thing or two about gameplay...but your isnt one of them :) Edit: CC lol I rest my case. Now, stop throwing your teddy out of your pram, put your dummy back in and take a stress pill :) a_z 03-15-2006 12:52 PM MST Rating: 1   if youd know some shit about mapping you dont put zone portals where they dont belong, you put in normal weapons, seeing this map, i get the true feeling u love the deemer more than asmd or sniper, from wich i conclude u dont know how to use those 2 guns, thus aint that good as u say, thus ur lil 1v1's were against noobs. back on track, this is MAPPING not PLAYING, the agreed term for this kind of map IS minime for y'all ppl who dont get bored of shooting deemers out for hours on end, tell me whats fun -,- techniqueless, aimless. thats what i think 1 for the effort [quoter]stop calling my clan names mofo, i bet you couldn't even hit a elephant when it crapped on ya!!!![/quoter] seeing u like deemers so much i think u needa look at ur little self -,- edit* dont like deemers eh? i count 3, make maps to ur own taste, kick deemers. ill gladly take ur chalange providing its good ping nr, thrird, it aint about ur play, its about you not knowing how to balance a map @gormghulthyn. 1: alot of ppl dont like it, seeing some of the oppinions here, and second, this kind of play is only fun for the skilles IMO gormgulthyn 03-15-2006 01:04 PM MST Rating: 9.5   this map is just great every game evolves guys so stop shitting about it its a new gamestyle and alot of ppl like it so maybe you guys just haven't really tried it with the right speed and gravity edit: a_z stfu the opinions here suck well think wut ya like don't attack me personally i didn't attack you either but if ya wanna prove your skill i'll gladly pick up my ut game again and kick your ass but you probably are a bigtime looser anyways so with no balls attached to your verry tiny penis [KFH]FoamyGal 03-15-2006 01:20 PM MST   I never wanted to return to this shameful place but I had to do in this case as GMC is my scene too and its my right to speak for it. BDC clan provided loads of things to our scene like the colored instagib and ESR&Trans long before the reg UT people even thought about it. A diss of their name and pretending them to be like totally unknown tarts is an injustice that - as all GMC are enjoying a state of unity - is like you diss a GMC clan you diss them all. That is why it doesn*t have to be Deaths map and he can speak for it anyway. Something reg people never will figure. If you deride our way of UT it doesnt matter whom*s map it is as tehy are all OURS and this one isn*t even the original TV store you got your hands on. Furthermore this map exists in versions of multiple clans and is considered a classic. I was here once - then gave it up as people repeatedly refused to understand our way of UT. I hope you noticed my post was meant to explain rather than to flame, flaming is Nalicity*s job, not ours. Last to say, A_Z I am wondering if you actually know whom you challenge but it*s your decision to call DS's previous enemies "noobs". I think all the GMC clans in EU and US will agree to be represented by him, this is gonna be an interesting match proving once and for all GMC ain*t funnel gaming, noob gamestyle or Zark run*n gun, the three things that we always are beguilted to be - none of these lies is true. KFH Foamygal Rokhead 03-15-2006 03:00 PM MST Rating: 2   Ok, most mini-me maps are ok, but this one sucked. It's too square, and dosen't realy have any detail. You should see VCTF-SterlingFlood, for ut2004. There are some good ut mini mes too. (2 for the music) hawkwind 05-18-2008 11:18 AM MDT Rating: 4.5   i will try to be civil, and not just because {BDC}, and «ßDC»DøGGZz«20o0» in particular are cool folks. i regret the fact that i missed the best days of ut online. playing {BDC} maps online in ut2003 was a blast. i do not agree that minime (i prefer "in-the-house") maps are uncreative and a waste of time. the layout on this one is especially good for normal weapons. the tv's provide great cover to avoid attack and get more and different weapons. low-grav as standard is what makes this work. jump boots will never replace low-grav, no way, no how. and Gnome, the reason some of the teleporters are in the middle of the room is, as an enemy is beading down on you with the sniper zoom or rocket, poof you're gone; or you jump from up high and end up elsewhere before you hit the ground. who says this has no flow? very fun. i wish the bots were better trained, though for some reason they do better low-grav than in either 2003 or 2004. this has a lot of potential in arena style (like sniper rifle), but was working best NW. including the SSR just told me that this was to be enjoyed. like many clan maps, this is awkward with bots, and meant to be played with real people online. Rokhead, you do understand that this is a ut map and vctf-sterling flood is made for ut2004? WinkyBoy is a great mapper, but lets not compair things 5 years and 1.5 engines apart. look at DM-BDC-Toys2k3, a very nice looking In-The-House map for ut2003. anyway, cann't say this map has sterling visuals or textures; some nice lighting and layout though. i would and shall give it a 4.5 for having a good theme, weapon layout, and being really good at what it is trying to be. to me, that is always worth one point. please just calm down folks. if you don't like in-the-house maps, then don't download them and/or comment on them. i wouldn't comment on a JB or AS map if you put a gun to my head. "throw your anger down" Gnome and Sapper 05-16-2008 08:59 PM MDT   Holy crap... You know, after I did this review...I never did bother to go back and see what discussion it caused. To clear up a few things: 1) This was an early review for me and I was not into the UT culture or anything so I seriously did not know who BDC is. 2) At the risk of repeating myself, I do not intentionally go out to insult or harass people. Gnome does the review, Sapper makes fun of stuff. That has always been and shall always been the format through which I perform my reviews, and I do try to be as objective as possible. 3) If you are among the people who are easily offended by words, just ignore what Sapper has to say and read the review of Gnome. Either that, or don't read it at all. I do this to create entertainment value. Too many people out there takes things way too seriously. It's just a game, it's just a review, and it's just a few jokes thrown in for fun. It is NOT an attack. cccdeathstorm 05-17-2008 02:59 PM MDT Rating: 9.5   Hello @ G & S It was not your review that offended us in any way :) it's a good review, but it was the attitude of some other folks around, the GMC community is all about fun and gameplay, a lot of high skilled folks are amongst them, but a lot of people like to call 155/55 Lowgrav for noobs, since they themselves fail to be any good at it. It's like some of the regs players are of the opinion => "if you don't know it, hate it" anyway, don't think you caused all this commotion :) cause you in no way did that. Grtz, Deathstorm.